Gemma wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:42 pm
Right now I'm busy collecting seeds for next year...anyone else go seed harvesting?
and no, I don't usually harvest any seeds. I figure I have enough already and will be giving away some white ones, so...
The seeds I'm harvesting are from all veggies and annual flowers (zinnias, marigolds etc)
ah, well, then I can just paste my answer of above, here, again; nope, got enough plants and don't need seeds to make more. If I REMEMBER correctly, I even GAVE SOME AWAY, ya know???? I did do some seeds (mostly lupines) a couple years ago, it went well, had a LOT of seedlings come spring. From all those, I actually salvaged 4 plants, 2 of which were in the pondhouse. The varmint got to them before I was even aware lupines were so tasty! Figured, it wasn't worth it but I'll do it again if I ever lose too many from the garden. With the prices I paid this spring for some of the pots mrsbrokensword planted, I vowed to NOT shop at nurseries again! It was unreal how little we got for so much $$. Hmm, maybe I just talked myself into doing seeds FOR those pots this late winter...will have to consider it in ernest, I think!
Hope you get a nice crop for next spring, though. Do keep us updated throughout the winter as you start them up. Nice to see spring-like pics while snow is still on the ground!
and no, I don't usually harvest any seeds. I figure I have enough already and will be giving away some white ones, so...
The seeds I'm harvesting are from all veggies and annual flowers (zinnias, marigolds etc)
ah, well, then I can just paste my answer of above, here, again; nope, got enough plants and don't need seeds to make more. If I REMEMBER correctly, I even GAVE SOME AWAY, ya know???? I did do some seeds (mostly lupines) a couple years ago, it went well, had a LOT of seedlings come spring. From all those, I actually salvaged 4 plants, 2 of which were in the pondhouse. The varmint got to them before I was even aware lupines were so tasty! Figured, it wasn't worth it but I'll do it again if I ever lose too many from the garden. With the prices I paid this spring for some of the pots mrsbrokensword planted, I vowed to NOT shop at nurseries again! It was unreal how little we got for so much $$. Hmm, maybe I just talked myself into doing seeds FOR those pots this late winter...will have to consider it in ernest, I think!
Hope you get a nice crop for next spring, though. Do keep us updated throughout the winter as you start them up. Nice to see spring-like pics while snow is still on the ground!
I've been spending my time digging holes to transplant the berries and fig tree...then I'll have to dig those for the grapes and then for all the pots in the greenhouse that otherwise will die
My sister just told me she subscribed to the youtube channel that holds my UW pond video, I had to explain to her that it isn't my channel... I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up in here...you think my English is bad? well hers is nonexistent
@Gemma if you joined youtube and posted your video up there then it is your channel. I have a channel too. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrx41NnoGIlkQdIpT8hay-w not much on there tho. If it's not your channel then who's channel is it?
Hope your sis joins up here
j.w wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:39 pm
@Gemma if you joined youtube and posted your video up there then it is your channel. I have a channel too. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrx41NnoGIlkQdIpT8hay-w not much on there tho. If it's not your channel then who's channel is it?
Hope your sis joins up here
That's the thing, I didn't post the video, broken did...it's his channel!
Today I decided not to wait any longer, and take the cuttings from the water plants so I can winterize them and have plants for next Spring.
My Taro got so huge I can't even try to save the larger ones, I have to settle for baby plants, which is fine but it's so hard to let the rest die
I got some babies of both kinds of Taro, both umbrella palm, some coleus and a couple of small water canna cause it never survived the winter like my other cannas, so this one I have to keep it in vegetative state all winter
I feel much better now that I got samples of each plant safe inside
so, been having some fish issues and having to read up/learn about koi diseases. Still not sure, but decided to douse the pond with proform C, which is supposed to work against some parasites (the smaller ones, as opposed to gill flukes, round worm, etc) and fungus, as well as help the fish's slime coat and up their immunity. A few fish developed what looked like wounds to me, but were probably more like ulcers. I've tested but the parameters were fine (ammonia was 0), the water is clear, the fish (even those WITH the suspected bugs/fungus) have been acting fine, until a couple weren't. I tried to save 3 and so far, have lost them all. One got dropsy, which I knew would be almost impossible to save, while two others developed ulcers that spread and began affecting their behavior. I probably waited too long to try and save them but I was hoping they'd battle back naturally. Once I saw them swimming oddly, I paid more attention and got them out and into a hospital tank. None made it. So, because others have similar ulcer/fungus patches on their bodies, went with the proform C I had bought a year or so ago. One dose last night, another happening tonight and one more tomorrow. Had to wait for warmer temps to keep the water temp up (though, it can be used in water 50F and lower). They say to do water changes but I'm adverse to doing that, so am keeping an eye and perhaps, my ministrations will be for naught. The water change (up to 50%) is to make the chemical more effective as one of the two components, the formalin, binds to floating/organic matter. And I DO have a fair bit of floating plants, though not a lot of floating organics. But the bog would have it and I figure once the proC hit there, it would negate some effectiveness. Hence, I stopped the flow to the bog, waited until night so the fish would NOT stir anything up from the bottom, and crossed my fingers. So far, no problem. Whether I'm positively affecting the fish has yet to be seen. I'm doing this now as those that have these ulcers (which, btw, most have had since mid/early summer and I've been monitoring to see if they grew etc) will be more vulnerable once winter hits and then into spring (when fish are MOST vulnerable). We'll have to see what happens over the winter, though. I'm hopeful the treatment will help.
Annnnnd, ad if that wasn't enough pond stress, about a month ago I noticed the largest turtle, a male we call Cap'n Jack, hadn't been seen. I went looking after 2 weeks but didn't find him hung up or caught in anything on the land-side of the pond, so just waited figuring he'd eventually show. Nada, he didn't and I went looking again--and found an opening in the screen that I attached to the pond wall bottom, on the east side. The earth had pulled it down (had fiberglas screen stapled and plastic chicken wire nailed there) and there was a gap that a persistent turtle bent on escaping, could probably do so. So, while I thought maybe it had died (caught in rocks/waterfall/etc or from some sickness I wasn't aware of), now I figure he got out and hopefully, at least, made his way back to the natural large pond at the street's end. And I have been taking them inside and overwintering for the past couple years, so began this process last weekend with only ONE turtle spotted and caught. Now I'm getting nervous; have the other two also escaped or died? I sent my gatorcam around the whole pond, taking out a lot of water lettuce so I could navigate the camera the whole way, and upon viewing the video, saw ZERO turtles. I couldn't believe it but had they too been lost? Was feeling a bit glum about the last half of the ponding summer, what with the loss of 3 koi, 4 others having similar ulcerous growths/wounds, and now, losing 3 of the 4 turtles I've had for the past 4 summers. Then yesterday, went out to feed the fish some garlic (supposed to work against fish parasites) and whaddya know--TWO turtles basking like usual! So, was really relieved but now, had to fetch them inside for the winter. I got one, the female named Gemma, fairly easily but spooked the other when I made a dive for it. He didn't come back up and it was getting darker so knew I'd missed my chance for the day. And I ALMOST had him but the net didn't scoop properly and he evaded my attempt! Came home today, peeked in, didn't see him and figured I might not get him in as we're expecting rain tomorrow, so he'll not be basking then. I went back out to be a sentinel and got lucky, spotting his head poked out amongst the water lettuce. This time, did my ninja trick and kept quiet--until mrsbrokensword joined me in the pondhouse and the turtle panicked and dropped down. But I knew it might yet come back as he hadn't seen the net yet. So, waited again and voila! he swam under the water lettuce until he was practically OVER my submerged net! It got a bit tricky as he was in amongst the water lily pots and my net was in front, so I gave it a shot and just barely managed to scoop him up as he dove again.
So, got the remaining 3 tucked away in the basement pool (which btw, has suddenly developed what I suspect is a BOTTOM leak!!) and now, I'll begin working on trimming water lilies, taro, and starting to lay in the winter tent wood structure next week (probably!). At least this story has a small silver lining!
And that's the state of the pond at the brokensword residence!
brokensword wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:03 pm
so, been having some fish issues and having to read up/learn about koi diseases. Still not sure, but decided to douse the pond with proform C, which is supposed to work against some parasites (the smaller ones, as opposed to gill flukes, round worm, etc) and fungus, as well as help the fish's slime coat and up their immunity. A few fish developed what looked like wounds to me, but were probably more like ulcers. I've tested but the parameters were fine (ammonia was 0), the water is clear, the fish (even those WITH the suspected bugs/fungus) have been acting fine, until a couple weren't. I tried to save 3 and so far, have lost them all. One got dropsy, which I knew would be almost impossible to save, while two others developed ulcers that spread and began affecting their behavior. I probably waited too long to try and save them but I was hoping they'd battle back naturally. Once I saw them swimming oddly, I paid more attention and got them out and into a hospital tank. None made it. So, because others have similar ulcer/fungus patches on their bodies, went with the proform C I had bought a year or so ago. One dose last night, another happening tonight and one more tomorrow. Had to wait for warmer temps to keep the water temp up (though, it can be used in water 50F and lower). They say to do water changes but I'm adverse to doing that, so am keeping an eye and perhaps, my ministrations will be for naught. The water change (up to 50%) is to make the chemical more effective as one of the two components, the formalin, binds to floating/organic matter. And I DO have a fair bit of floating plants, though not a lot of floating organics. But the bog would have it and I figure once the proC hit there, it would negate some effectiveness. Hence, I stopped the flow to the bog, waited until night so the fish would NOT stir anything up from the bottom, and crossed my fingers. So far, no problem. Whether I'm positively affecting the fish has yet to be seen. I'm doing this now as those that have these ulcers (which, btw, most have had since mid/early summer and I've been monitoring to see if they grew etc) will be more vulnerable once winter hits and then into spring (when fish are MOST vulnerable). We'll have to see what happens over the winter, though. I'm hopeful the treatment will help.
Annnnnd, ad if that wasn't enough pond stress, about a month ago I noticed the largest turtle, a male we call Cap'n Jack, hadn't been seen. I went looking after 2 weeks but didn't find him hung up or caught in anything on the land-side of the pond, so just waited figuring he'd eventually show. Nada, he didn't and I went looking again--and found an opening in the screen that I attached to the pond wall bottom, on the east side. The earth had pulled it down (had fiberglas screen stapled and plastic chicken wire nailed there) and there was a gap that a persistent turtle bent on escaping, could probably do so. So, while I thought maybe it had died (caught in rocks/waterfall/etc or from some sickness I wasn't aware of), now I figure he got out and hopefully, at least, made his way back to the natural large pond at the street's end. And I have been taking them inside and overwintering for the past couple years, so began this process last weekend with only ONE turtle spotted and caught. Now I'm getting nervous; have the other two also escaped or died? I sent my gatorcam around the whole pond, taking out a lot of water lettuce so I could navigate the camera the whole way, and upon viewing the video, saw ZERO turtles. I couldn't believe it but had they too been lost? Was feeling a bit glum about the last half of the ponding summer, what with the loss of 3 koi, 4 others having similar ulcerous growths/wounds, and now, losing 3 of the 4 turtles I've had for the past 4 summers. Then yesterday, went out to feed the fish some garlic (supposed to work against fish parasites) and whaddya know--TWO turtles basking like usual! So, was really relieved but now, had to fetch them inside for the winter. I got one, the female named Gemma, fairly easily but spooked the other when I made a dive for it. He didn't come back up and it was getting darker so knew I'd missed my chance for the day. And I ALMOST had him but the net didn't scoop properly and he evaded my attempt! Came home today, peeked in, didn't see him and figured I might not get him in as we're expecting rain tomorrow, so he'll not be basking then. I went back out to be a sentinel and got lucky, spotting his head poked out amongst the water lettuce. This time, did my ninja trick and kept quiet--until mrsbrokensword joined me in the pondhouse and the turtle panicked and dropped down. But I knew it might yet come back as he hadn't seen the net yet. So, waited again and voila! he swam under the water lettuce until he was practically OVER my submerged net! It got a bit tricky as he was in amongst the water lily pots and my net was in front, so I gave it a shot and just barely managed to scoop him up as he dove again.
So, got the remaining 3 tucked away in the basement pool (which btw, has suddenly developed what I suspect is a BOTTOM leak!!) and now, I'll begin working on trimming water lilies, taro, and starting to lay in the winter tent wood structure next week (probably!). At least this story has a small silver lining!
And that's the state of the pond at the brokensword residence!
Waal. I don't know which faces to put in there. Happy face the turtles are caught for winter basement homing. , Worried face for fish who are ill , and of course, a mourning face for those fish who were lost - but that's tempered by what a wonderful life they had with you.
Best of luck with all of it.
brokensword wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:03 pm
so, been having some fish issues and having to read up/learn about koi diseases. Still not sure, but decided to douse the pond with proform C, which is supposed to work against some parasites (the smaller ones, as opposed to gill flukes, round worm, etc) and fungus, as well as help the fish's slime coat and up their immunity. A few fish developed what looked like wounds to me, but were probably more like ulcers. I've tested but the parameters were fine (ammonia was 0), the water is clear, the fish (even those WITH the suspected bugs/fungus) have been acting fine, until a couple weren't. I tried to save 3 and so far, have lost them all. One got dropsy, which I knew would be almost impossible to save, while two others developed ulcers that spread and began affecting their behavior. I probably waited too long to try and save them but I was hoping they'd battle back naturally. Once I saw them swimming oddly, I paid more attention and got them out and into a hospital tank. None made it. So, because others have similar ulcer/fungus patches on their bodies, went with the proform C I had bought a year or so ago. One dose last night, another happening tonight and one more tomorrow. Had to wait for warmer temps to keep the water temp up (though, it can be used in water 50F and lower). They say to do water changes but I'm adverse to doing that, so am keeping an eye and perhaps, my ministrations will be for naught. The water change (up to 50%) is to make the chemical more effective as one of the two components, the formalin, binds to floating/organic matter. And I DO have a fair bit of floating plants, though not a lot of floating organics. But the bog would have it and I figure once the proC hit there, it would negate some effectiveness. Hence, I stopped the flow to the bog, waited until night so the fish would NOT stir anything up from the bottom, and crossed my fingers. So far, no problem. Whether I'm positively affecting the fish has yet to be seen. I'm doing this now as those that have these ulcers (which, btw, most have had since mid/early summer and I've been monitoring to see if they grew etc) will be more vulnerable once winter hits and then into spring (when fish are MOST vulnerable). We'll have to see what happens over the winter, though. I'm hopeful the treatment will help.
Annnnnd, ad if that wasn't enough pond stress, about a month ago I noticed the largest turtle, a male we call Cap'n Jack, hadn't been seen. I went looking after 2 weeks but didn't find him hung up or caught in anything on the land-side of the pond, so just waited figuring he'd eventually show. Nada, he didn't and I went looking again--and found an opening in the screen that I attached to the pond wall bottom, on the east side. The earth had pulled it down (had fiberglas screen stapled and plastic chicken wire nailed there) and there was a gap that a persistent turtle bent on escaping, could probably do so. So, while I thought maybe it had died (caught in rocks/waterfall/etc or from some sickness I wasn't aware of), now I figure he got out and hopefully, at least, made his way back to the natural large pond at the street's end. And I have been taking them inside and overwintering for the past couple years, so began this process last weekend with only ONE turtle spotted and caught. Now I'm getting nervous; have the other two also escaped or died? I sent my gatorcam around the whole pond, taking out a lot of water lettuce so I could navigate the camera the whole way, and upon viewing the video, saw ZERO turtles. I couldn't believe it but had they too been lost? Was feeling a bit glum about the last half of the ponding summer, what with the loss of 3 koi, 4 others having similar ulcerous growths/wounds, and now, losing 3 of the 4 turtles I've had for the past 4 summers. Then yesterday, went out to feed the fish some garlic (supposed to work against fish parasites) and whaddya know--TWO turtles basking like usual! So, was really relieved but now, had to fetch them inside for the winter. I got one, the female named Gemma, fairly easily but spooked the other when I made a dive for it. He didn't come back up and it was getting darker so knew I'd missed my chance for the day. And I ALMOST had him but the net didn't scoop properly and he evaded my attempt! Came home today, peeked in, didn't see him and figured I might not get him in as we're expecting rain tomorrow, so he'll not be basking then. I went back out to be a sentinel and got lucky, spotting his head poked out amongst the water lettuce. This time, did my ninja trick and kept quiet--until mrsbrokensword joined me in the pondhouse and the turtle panicked and dropped down. But I knew it might yet come back as he hadn't seen the net yet. So, waited again and voila! he swam under the water lettuce until he was practically OVER my submerged net! It got a bit tricky as he was in amongst the water lily pots and my net was in front, so I gave it a shot and just barely managed to scoop him up as he dove again.
So, got the remaining 3 tucked away in the basement pool (which btw, has suddenly developed what I suspect is a BOTTOM leak!!) and now, I'll begin working on trimming water lilies, taro, and starting to lay in the winter tent wood structure next week (probably!). At least this story has a small silver lining!
And that's the state of the pond at the brokensword residence!
Waal. I don't know which faces to put in there. Happy face the turtles are caught for winter basement homing. , Worried face for fish who are ill , and of course, a mourning face for those fish who were lost - but that's tempered by what a wonderful life they had with you.
Best of luck with all of it.
thanks, Sarah; it's been rocky lately for sure. I get attached to them all and keenly feel the responsibility when things go wrong. Never had fish ulcers/koi before, so it's a learning experience. Weird how these wound like issues have persisted most of the last half of the summer, hence why I hoped/waited for them to heal up themselves, but now, winter is coming and I fear I may lose some of the other 4 that have similar marks on them. I wondered if maybe the turtles had started this but really, I've never even seen them go after the fish. Then I thought maybe spawning might have done this but the females still seem like they were the same size all summer and either they never released their eggs or just eat too much! Still learning here!
Anyway, appreciate the concern. Hope this winter brings them all through okay and nothing worsens, but it's not like I'm not trying, ya know?
How is your pond doing? I imagine not a lot changes, does it? Does your water get so warm that your fish head to the bottom but now as the season changes, they are more active near the top?
@brokensword so very sorry to hear about your fish loss, sick ones and losing a turtle. Sure hope your treatments work and you don't lose anymore and the other one's w/the ulcer's heal up soon. I'm of no help w/diseases of Koi or any fish so all I can do is pray!
Heading out today to do an apple run w/my friend Jessie up the road. Will be taking her truck over to Eastern Washington, a 3& 1/2 hour trip there! Will fill up her truck bed w/Honey Crisp apples and then head home. Will be a long, hard day but she wants apples for her pigs. Says it is a finishing thing so they taste better after they are, well you know. Jessie is a farmer all the way and eats her own animal meats. Guess that is the healthy way but I could never do it. They would all end up as pets! I don't think this long drive is worth it but hey, I'm just going along as the help and don't have to pay for the fuel, thank Heavens!
, Worried face for fish who are ill 
, and of course, a mourning face for those fish who were lost 
- but that's tempered by what a wonderful life they had with you.